OOC: 44 CSM Campaign Threads

44 Threads . . . WOW

Yup, and that doesn’t mean that that is all of it, just those are the ones that were present when I looked a few minutes ago.  Now will all of those people get their applications in?  Remains to be seen since they have until Feb 15 to complete the process.

Now there have been some changes.  Age restriction dropped from 21 to 18 (or the age of majority in the applicants country, whichever is higher).  You DON’T have to be able to go to Iceland.  Internationally accepted ID will suffice, not JUST a Passport.  Your personal information must be supplied to CCP but they won’t be tossing it out as part of the ballot.

Twice a year we host CSM summits. Summit can last up to 5 days and up to 10 members of the CSM will fly to CCP headquarters in Reykjavik, Iceland to participate in person. The rest of the CSM will join the summit remotely.-CCP Leeloo

This is a large change and another is implied.  10 people CAN go to the summits, not just 7 as in previous years.  Can does not mean will but it is there, now.  What isn’t mentioned is Fanfest.  Your flight/hotel is not covered by CCP if you are elected. Will they supply tickets into the events?  Yes.  But you have to get your own self there.  (They will try to help with discounted flight/hotels though their local connections but it is still going to cost) When they pay the way they expect you to work.

And they do expect you to work, make no mistake.  Anybody who is trying to get elected on a strong ‘fanclub base’ and doesn’t do anything once in will not last long.  Not to mention . . .

Any behavior or actions considered being a material breach of the EULA, TOS or NDA by a CSM delegate is grounds for immediate dismissal and permanent exclusion from all pending and future participation in the council. There are no exceptions or “first strikes” regardless of the infraction. Delegates are not only expected to uphold the social contract that all society members are held accountable to, but should also set a behavior standard for everyone else to follow. CCP Leeloo

I will write more about the CSM in the next week or so, not as a campaign thing but to advise others.  Warn them.  Once upon a time it might have been an ego thing, a ‘yeah, I am somebody’

Now it is a volunteer position where you are told by cynics that you are a useless PR drone and by angry people that you messed the whole game up or failed to stop a dev from doing so.  Once in a while you get some thanks and man, do you treasure it.  You will fly to a foreign country and meet with some very dedicated people and advise them on what is THEIR bread and butter, their livelihood. Take it seriously.  Oh have fun, you know I do, but never forget that people are behind the game as well as in front of it.  They don’t want it to fail anymore than you want your employer to close up shop tomorrow.

There is more I want to say but this is enough for now.

fly it like you won it



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9 Responses to OOC: 44 CSM Campaign Threads

  1. Dorian Reu says:

    I’m pulling for you, corned, sugar and Steve. 4 hardest working CSM’s and you know your swim lanes. Not sure the newbies get what their role would be.

  2. Catalina de Erauso says:

    I am considering to resub one account and vote you, sugar and corbexx. Haven’t tracked the other members but I think that you three reached out to people whose voice wouldn’t be heard otherwise -which does not mean that they don’t have something to say! Anyone who can take his money away has something to say about EVE and CCP…

  3. anon says:

    “Anybody who is trying to get elected on a strong ‘fanclub base’ and doesn’t do anything once in will not last long.”

    Could you say more about this is in your follow up post? Will CCP (rightly) eject useless members?

    Another question: what is the best way to obtain “impartial” (at the very least, non-meta’d) feedback on a CSM’s performance? Does CCP give any public feedback about this?

    There are certain CSM members that I can see are doing good for the game and the players. Some others… how can we evaluate how much they have contributed, given that they may just have been quiet about it.

    The voting process is typically “vote for the CSM that represents your gameplay.” The problem is, I do not think there is a sufficient depth in quality of CSM candidates for the number available positions to make this work. At this point, I consider it much more important to prioritise candidates that will do good work for any aspect of EVE, over ones that happen to enjoy my particular style of playing but end up being useless/bad CSM delegates.

    The two things that I find particularly lacking in class as reasons for CSM candidacy:
    – an attempt to meta the game (or just to brag that they’ve meta’d the game)
    – believing they are clutch celebrity hero MMO designers who will parachute into the CCP office to save the game from the terrible devs that have no idea what they’re doing

    I sort of wish CCP would identify who, if any, fall into those categories. Because that’s how a few of the CSM absolutely come across.

    P.S. Mike you’re one of the good guys.

    • mikeazariah says:

      Thanks for that last bit. You know it would be very interesting to see Leeloos scorecard or ask the opinion of some of the Devs we work with what they thought of the relationship. But I doubt that that will ever happen as they know if they give lower marks they are poisoning thew well for future interactions or ‘playing favourites’


  4. Jester says:

    I don’t disagree with Falcon often — matter of fact, I can’t recall disagreeing with him before — but I disagree with his whole line here.

    Removing permanent seats because of one (arguably two) bad permanent seat holders? Bad idea. The permanent seats were the only guarantee that existed that a non-bloc holder would be at a summit. More local attendees at summits is nice but not if the FF seats are sacrificed to do it. Despite Falcon’s position, a lot of EVE players simply can’t afford to go to FF and the free trip for the hardest-working CSM members was not only a nice perk and motivation to do the work, it was perhaps the only opportunity some CSM members will ever have to meet other EVE players face-to-face.

    You know… the whole other half of the job.

    Just bad calls, front to back.

  5. Up to 10 members of the CSM will attend the summit locally. Did I overlook a minimum number or is there also the option to invite only 3-5 CSM members?
    Unlike Jester I do not think that removing permanent seats is bad. Should local attendees be chosen on their performance prior to the summit or just on winning the popularity contest?

    44 candidates, I am just waiting until I see the final candidate list before trying to make sense of it.
    Candidates have to be really strong to make any impact on my planned voting list as well.
    1. Mike, 2. Sugar, this order is purely based on a gut feeling because I think Sugar is a 100% sure candidate while I have no idea how broad your support base is and whether or not you would get enough primary votes to pass the first elimination round during vote count.

  6. Anon says:

    I believe herein lies the root of ALL the problems with the CSM … people go into it thinking they are there to represent the people who voted them in. It is nice that they have that voice, but they are really there to represent how the changes will be on the area they represent in the player base. The only person who I am glad I voted in was Sugar … she really is doing what she was voted in to do … represent the PLAYERS, even when she is there for lowsec.

    There needs to be a way to downvote people when you cannot find an adequate number of candidates to actually vote for. If we had this as an option, I would have downvoted three of four current CSM members, the fourth one was a no-show to do the job and was replaced. Surprisingly, I would have been right to do so.

    Also, some people are not going to be cut out to VOLUNTEER to take on a part-time job and take it seriously.

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