So the 18th is almost here, then a week for the boffins back at the lab to run the numbers over and over again to find the CSM8 delegates.  If you have not yet voted there is a common occurrence of the desperate last minute voters on the 18th but I say “Why wait?”

Go, vote now.  The order does matter but so does the fact that you are voting at all.  They will make a pass through the votes looking only at how many  voters there were and use that to determine the breakpoint for getting elected.  If anybody makes that on the first pass then they are in, done deal.  If nobody makes it in then things get a little more interesting.  Because then they don’t just look at the highest performer but also who got the least votes.  That person is then removed from the race and then the second choices on the ballots for that person become relevant. 

The one thing I have not seen explained is how they choose which votes to look at once someone does make the break point.  Suppose candidate X needs 4000 votes to get elected.  5000 are cast for him but the first 500 of them list candidate Y as second choice and 4500 list candidate Z as second choice.  How will his ‘leftovers’ be shared out?  Proportionately?  First counted first served?

Second question.  If I, for example, am a common ‘second choice’ but not a common first choice will I be eliminated in the first pass in spite of having a fair following, just not a primary one?

I doubt very much that a lot of you who read this have not yet voted.  Hell, you put up with me nagging you.

I really appreciate the evemails that some of you have sent me in support and letting me know that I have a few votes here and there.  Unlike real world elections there are no polls or surveys, no indicators the average small guy can employ.  I literally have no idea how well I am doing right now. 

Last thing.  CCP has really dropped the ball on Getting Out The Vote (GOTV)  that they promised us.  A short video that was half vote and half fanfest commercial?  A couple of splash pages on login.  So I guess it is up to us, you and me.  I am trying to contact some groups and channels to see if I can get some group voting happening but you can also help.  Talk up the election with your alliance/ corp/friends.  If you are in a fleet ask if they have voted.  Prepare for the negative response, of course.  You will be told it is already in the bag for the goons or that the CSM doesn’t matter anyways.  Both are clever ways to diminish the voter turnout and ensure a null bloc dominance of the CSM.  The fewer people who vote the stronger the organized voting blocks will be. 

I read the above paragraph and realized that I sound negative about that and I want to correct one impression.  There is nothing wrong with having a null presence on the CSM, hell, it is damn necessary.  I would fight a clean sweep of wormholers, lowsec, even high sec from taking over the CSS.  We need a balanced council to get the most out of it.  I have talked to and debated some very good candidates who have null allegiance and woulld love a chance to work with them.  There are others you can see will be complete losses and a waste of votes.

Get people to vote. 

Not because I need to win but because Eve needs to win. 

fly it like you won it


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7 Responses to CSM STV

  1. mynnna says:

    “how they choose which votes to look at once someone does make the break point.”

    They don’t have to, because the ballot is split proportionally. If the break-point is 4000 votes and a candidate receives 5000, then for each ballot, 4/5 of the vote goes to the first candidate on it, and the remaining 1/5th to the second place.

    “If I, for example, am a common ‘second choice’ but not a common first choice will I be eliminated in the first pass in spite of having a fair following, just not a primary one?”
    This is more difficult to answer. It is possible, but not guaranteed. Elimination happens only after all over-votes have been distributed, so if you’re a common second choice to a popular first choice candidate, you’re highly likely to receive plenty of spill-over votes. On the other hand, if you were a common second choice to weaker first choice candidates, there would be no spill over, and you’d be more reliant on your own first place choices.

    Ping me on twitter or evemail (that might be better, no character restrictions!) if you have any other questions about election mechanics.

    • mikeazariah says:


      This is why you made it on my ballot as one of the people I would like to work with.

      Thanks for the explanation


    • mikeazariah says:

      I read that but I keep doing scenarios in my head and wonder if it works the way folks think. If an organization manages to get a preset ticket voted for by say 8000 people the third guy on the ticket may be eliminated on the first pass whereas someone with far less support but a couple of hundred top slot votes will still be in the running.

      • Foo says:

        In Australia, our voting is preferential in one form or another.

        While your specific scenario does not occur; crazy things sometimes happen on the last slot, in this case position #14.

        In practice; the top slots voted in are the most popular. For example, I expect Mynna to get in on his own vote, with surplus votes most likely electing another few spots.

        Similarly with other candidates, I would not be surprised if the wormhole block got more than a quota.

        After the popular candidates are selected, the least popular candidates are ‘voted off the island’, and you end up with compromise candidates, not loved, but not hated either.

        This vote will mean that, on average, if a bloc has 40% of the votes, then they get 40% of the seats.

        It will almost certainly give a surprise on spot #14.

        An example of weirdness from one of our most recent federal senate election. It is an election for 6 seats.
        Bloc #1 with roughly 33% of the primary vote gets 2 seats (Major party)
        Bloc #2 with roughly 33% of the primary vote gets 2 seats (Major party)
        Bloc #3 with roughly 16% of the primary vote gets 1 seat (largest minor party)
        Bloc #4 with roughly 3% of the primary vote missed out (medium minor party)
        Bloc #5 with roughly 2% of the primary vote gets final seat. (don’t even know who these guys are)

        Bloc #4 was a divisive party. Some loved them; Most (including myself) really did not.

        For all the other states, it was the party that got just short of a quota in their own right. (generally Bloc#3)

        I am curious as to who we get as candidate #14.

  2. Bleys says:

    Good luck, Mike. You got all my first choice slots for my accounts. I had a hard time filling in very far down the line up. I think I got as far as eight people before I ran into a wall.

    Looking over the competition and the system itself…. I am feeling a bit more optimistic this time around. Still, I wish you had started campaigning sooner.

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