It took a while to sober up, three days to be more exact.  When he finally was himself again he found that he had not, as he thought he might, left, never to return.  He had new quarters and was well set except for a distinct lack of anything alcoholic.  That and the sheets needed changing . . . or burned.

Mindful of  his promises he called Kaylaigh to come visit and set up a small display for the next chat.  He also laid our some food and made a large pot of coffee.  Well, he thought about that, give him some credit.  The coffee shop delivered and he was very thankful that they did so.

.”Well,” he said once the niceties were done with. “Today I thought we might talk about logistics, or Logis as some call them.”

“These will get picked up for fleets?”

“Well, there is always the chance that either no fleets are forming or that they already have pilots but yeah.  If I really want work then I bring a logi.  I flew one earlier this evening, just to make sure of some lats minute details and to take some notes for you.  Now, let us start at the beginning and then go on towards the end.”

K smiled and leaned back, letting the ‘professor’ side of Mikes personality take the stage.

“Fittings come first, along with training.  It don’t take a ton of skills to fly a logi but ya do need ta be at LEAST logi IV and preferably V, just for the best use of power and fittings.  I expect someone could plug a fitting like this one . . ”  He keyed up a ship fitting for a Basilisk

[Basilisk, mike]

4x Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter
2x Large Partial E95c Power Conduit

2x Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II
Remote Sensor Booster I

Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

5x Light Shield Maintenance Bot I

“Now understand a few tings.  One: This is what I fly because I am ONLY logistics four in training.  This ship would go POP in a mothership fleet if it caught the wrong attention.  For that size battle you need to drop the Sebo (sensor booster) and add in another large shield extender.  There are references for this sort of fitting advice specific to motherships but y’all can take my word for it.  Sometimes I will have mining drones if we need a bit of extra ore ta help slow down the Sansha.”

Keelegh downloaded the fit and nodded.  “I thought you flew Scimitars?”

“I did, I think they look prettier but once I saw how well a team of Basi’s support each other I took utility over looks.  Not that scimis aren’t used, just Basi’s do better as a team and cap no longer is an issue.  Vanguard fleets are the best and they use two to three basis.”

“If two works why would anybody want three?”

“Redundancy, spare cap for other ships that eat a lot of power.  Nothing worse than being jammed as a Basi and watching a fleet die.  It is the main reason Niarjas are primary anytime they appear on the field.”  Mike tapped a control.  ‘This is what a basic scimi fit looks like.”

[Scimitar, mike]

4x Large S95a Partial Shield Transporter

2x Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
2x Cap Recharger II

3x Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

2x Medium Ancillary Current Router I

5x Light Shield Maintenance Bot I

“The problem is, unless you got a LOT of training that sucker is NOT stable and will run out of power right quick, so while having four reppers looks good, you cannot really use them without a lot more training.  This is why most folks prefer to see Basis.  The same story goes for the armor side.  Guardians can cap chain and so they are preferred over the Oneiros.  It all comes down to the fleet being a unified whole.  Here are the armor logis”  He tapped another key.

[Guardian, Mike]

4x Large ‘Solace’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
2x Large ‘Regard’ I Power Projector

Remote Sensor Booster I
Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Armor Thermic Hardener
Armor EM Hardener II
Energized Basic Adaptive Nano Plating

Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

5x Light Armor Maintenance Bot I


[Oneiros, oh no]

4x Large ‘Arup’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction

4x Cap Recharger II
Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Power Diagnostic System II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

2x Medium Remote Repair Augmentor I

5x Medium Armor Maintenance Bot I

“Now you notice that I don’t have any speed in these.  You are usually just flying around an anchor and so you are not called upon to git anywhere fast.  Better to use the mids for Sebos or other stuff that will help.”

“Target painters?”

“No.  The last ting you want to be doing is targetting the enemy, might accidentally rep them . . . that is considered a ‘bad ting’.  Now one special ting you should know is these are considered starter fits.  a couple of days with good fleets and a lot of the modules are gonna be upgraded ta ‘Imperial navy’ or some other more expensive type.”

“That could be expensive.”

“Get in a good fleet . . . hell even get in an average fleet and you will haul down a lot of isk.  You can pay for the ship and fittings an a trio of hours . . . if you are flying a basi or guardian.  You can be pimping it out right quick if you know what you are doing.  While I was running the practice last night we were averaging about 9.8 mill every 12 minutes.  We woulda been faster but there was competition for some sites.”


“Ah, now that brings us to the more important part of this lil chat . . . the flying part.”  Mike poured a fresh coffee.  “Thie is more important than this fitting or that.  A good ship is worthless if the person in the pod doesn’t know how ta use it.  Worse, if it is a logi it may cost a fleet a lot more than just one ship, a cascade fail is a horrible thing to see.  I asked, last night, what folks wanted to see in a Logi pilot.  The FC, Rasmyster, was kind enough to take us to a planetary orbit just so folks could answer a few questions for me.  The first answer they gave was they want a Logi pilot with good reflexes.”


Mike chuckled.  “I’ll get there.  So you gots a good ship, the skills to fly it.  Now what?  You go looking for an incursion usin comm.  (Journal-Incursion-Global Report)  You fly into the area in your shiny new ship and then . . . you get a new channel automatically.  Me I only look at that one occasionally . . . I go to BTL PUB first.  The folks there seem to be serious about their shield fleets and I find regulars I can trust.”

“What about Armor?”

“I use Ditanian Fleet channel for that.  I also have a time zone specific channel I keep to . . . just so I find folks who play the same time I do.  So you want to be in a fleet.  If you are lucky there will be folks begging for logis almost as soon as you arrive.  If no, then you put out a call.  Now you may think that a vanguard fleet only uses two or three logis, not gonna be a lot of openings.  But the fleet lives and dies by its logis so if one goes away the whole group is looking for a replacement.  You put the word out by posting {Logi} {fit} {where the incursion is} {x} [lfsf optional] so I put out ‘Logi, ThereThere, Caldari incursion, x’  There there is my current Basi.”


“Not sexy enough for three of them, me.  No X is an old custom of indicating you want to join something, I have no idea where it comes from.  So you get an invite, as soon as I am in fleet I always join voice comms and also ask where the rally is.”


“Yah, where the fleet currently is flying or meeting up.  I get told and I tell them how far away I am and get my ass moving.  If they are waiting for me then I am costing them isk every extra minute it takes.  I make sure my settings on the overview are proper as I get there.  I’ll talk about overview another time if you want.  But once I get there, if they are on a gate I find out who the other logis are.  If there is just one other I make sure we have the caps set and that he or she is on the top of my watch list.  If there are two others then we set a ‘one up one down cap chain’ and make sure everybody knows where things are going.”

“Is watch list important?  Can’t you just watch for calls for reps?”

Mike shook his head.  “Used to be like that.  That is now what those guys meant by ‘good reflexes’.  If a logi is doing a proper job of it there should be NOBODY calling for reps.  Before they even notice that they are taking damage we have them targeted and shields flowing downstream.  Once the logis are on the top of the list I will set the anchor to the next spot and then fill the rest of the list with the rest of the squad.  Nice thing about Vanguard sites is that a normal size fleet will fit on your watch list so you can see everything that is happening.  As soon as someone flashes red you know they are taking incoming fire and act accordingly.”  Mike sipped his coffee.  “I have been in a fleet where there was not a single ‘call for reps’ because the Logis were that damn good.”  Mike looked in the distance.  “I have also been in fleet where the skies became littered with the wreckage of Basilisks one after another . . . ”


Mike shook his head.  “We were still learning and the escorts to a mothership are very organized.  The alpha strike of them is scary.  Let’s see what else . . . ah, drones.  If they are out and about, keep them on a short leash and do not let them chase someone halfway across the stars.  Be ready to call them back as an incursion ends or they will be left behind if the FC is doing fleet warps.  Align when commanded and know the order of entry for a gate so you are neither first nor last in.  I like to put an ‘L’ up in comms to indicate that I am ready to go.  If an FC sees all the logis do the same then it saves some steps and double checking.”

“You make it sound like a lot of work.”

“A logi pilot needs to be awake, adaptable, skilled and watchful . . . he cannot leave the guns on automatic and step away ‘for a moment’.  If he wavers, there is a chance someone will die.  Given how most of the fleets are fitted out, that is not a small thing.”

“If it so hard . . .why do you do it?”

“Somebody has to.  I told you, without the logis whole fleets sit idle.  Without us the Sansha gain ground.  We aren’t flying the sexy ships . . . but we are needed.  It takes some skill, some training and a lot of patience.  I have SEEN a dps pilot shirk his duty.  Sometimes it takes a pair of sites for anybody to notice.  A logi pilot goofs off for one minute and there is hell to pay.  Now I have an appointment with a fleet to keep . . . what do you want me to get ready ta show ya next time?”



Seriously, if this is at all helpful . . . great.  If it sucks, let me know how I can make it suck less.

What part of incursions should I hit next?  Overview? Tactics for taking the standard vanguards down?

DPS basics?  Specific class or type of ship.

Or should I shut up and go back to writing fanfic to keep myself happy and quieter?

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8 Responses to Logi

  1. vsmit says:

    Command Ships: fleet or field, gang links, which races?

  2. mikeazariah says:

    Added to the list of things to write about. Thanks Smitty


  3. Serpentine Logic says:

    I think a three-rep afterburning scimitar still has much better effective HP due to use of PDU instead of CPR in the lows, better rigs, and generally snappier performance. At the end of the day, it’s better to have three reps full-time than four reps only until it gets popped.

    • mikeazariah says:

      A fair point. I was also ‘appreciated’ in the mining colony as the runner to drop off the ore. As with any blog about fittings it should be stamped with the caveat “Your mileage may vary” and “This is how I fly . . . not how I think everyone should”


  4. katsuko says:

    Awesome writeup, as always. Hoping to actually join an incursion fleet or two again sometime when the alliance I’m in stops getting wardecced.

    Looking at your Guardian setup, noticing that you are using an 800mm plate and no trimarks, which puts it at the lower end of acceptable EHP for PvP fleets in my limited experience. Not sure if buffer is an issue for Incursions, but the setup below gets similar resistances and fits a 1600mm plate by sacrificing half a large remote armor repper, giving it 50k EHP against omni damage without fleet bonuses. I used it in a triad of Guardians running Vanguard sites to good effect. Also noticed that you drop an afterburner in favor of a sensor booster. Does the additional lock speed outweigh the extra tank provided by speed tanking, or is speed tank not viable in higher-level sites due to webbing? Does ECCM help at all against Sansha, or is it simply a feel-good placebo mod?

    [Guardian, Guardian]
    Damage Control II
    Armor Thermic Hardener II
    Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
    Adaptive Nano Plating II
    1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

    10MN Afterburner II
    Conjunctive Radar ECCM Scanning Array I

    Large ‘Solace’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
    Large ‘Solace’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
    Large Remote Armor Repair System II
    Medium ‘Solace’ I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
    Large ‘Regard’ I Power Projector
    Large ‘Regard’ I Power Projector

    Medium Ancillary Current Router I
    Medium Ancillary Current Router I

  5. mikeazariah says:

    I think being logi 4 put some limits on what I could and could not fir. I would rather have as much between me and incoming as possible so if I can fit 1600 I do. The sensor booster is a remote. It is not for me but for a slower dps mobile in the fleet. Helping out every way I can . . .the eccm was a placebo and even if I KNOW it is . . . it still makes me feel better.


  6. Keilidh says:

    The whole part about ‘reflexes’ reminds me (I’m gonna get boo’d for admitting this) of my Warcraft days. I never raid healed, but I was main tank for years. It’s rather similar: DPS can slack off and it’s just less efficient. If the healer or tank isn’t paying attention, things go south. Situational awareness is king.

    I’m gonna plug that Basi fit into EFT and see how far off Sio is from flying it. She’s getting most of the logi skills at the moment by virtue of training directly to carriers…

  7. mikeazariah says:

    I’m not booing . . . I think the healer/logi role is very similar across the spectrum of games. Healer may not be the ‘sexy’ job but it is a very needed one. As I said above, your mileage/skills may vary but this is what I have learned, here and there.


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